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		<title>By: Kasey Wigger</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you bring up some wonderful points. I completely understand that we cannot completely eradicate the occupation of maids today...nor anytime in the near future...I just think their treatment in some places and households should be improved. Also, while it would be ideal for all children to be in school, I know that&#039;s not the reality of the situation and may not be completely feasible at this point...all I ask for is a change of mind in order to step into the gradual road of change. Yes, I&#039;m trying to be politically correct, but when I see how the U.S. is then go back and witness countries like Morocco and Mexico, for example, and the gap between classes, it just gets me down to think that they can&#039;t have the same kind of society we do (especially since we were like them once, but we&#039;ve improved).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you bring up some wonderful points. I completely understand that we cannot completely eradicate the occupation of maids today&#8230;nor anytime in the near future&#8230;I just think their treatment in some places and households should be improved. Also, while it would be ideal for all children to be in school, I know that&#8217;s not the reality of the situation and may not be completely feasible at this point&#8230;all I ask for is a change of mind in order to step into the gradual road of change. Yes, I&#8217;m trying to be politically correct, but when I see how the U.S. is then go back and witness countries like Morocco and Mexico, for example, and the gap between classes, it just gets me down to think that they can&#8217;t have the same kind of society we do (especially since we were like them once, but we&#8217;ve improved).</p>
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		<title>By: mina</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would probably be nice if the maids had guaranteed labour rights and weren&#039;t depended on the goodwill of their employer. I don&#039;t think that doing the kind of work maids do is dishonorable in any way, just not well protected.
I lived in Egypt for some time. I was on the one hand impressed with the number of &quot;invented&quot; jobs (prime example being the bawab) that would allow the poor to support themselves and their families with at least some degree of dignity, on the other hand I was shocked to see how much potential is wasted. But that has nothing to do with culture, only economic power. It did feel  like though at least some rich Egyptians had to really stress how different they were from the poor. One of their means was to treat the poor very arrogantly. But you find this everywhere, I guess, that people tend to think of themselves as worthier than others. Unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would probably be nice if the maids had guaranteed labour rights and weren&#8217;t depended on the goodwill of their employer. I don&#8217;t think that doing the kind of work maids do is dishonorable in any way, just not well protected.<br />
I lived in Egypt for some time. I was on the one hand impressed with the number of &#8220;invented&#8221; jobs (prime example being the bawab) that would allow the poor to support themselves and their families with at least some degree of dignity, on the other hand I was shocked to see how much potential is wasted. But that has nothing to do with culture, only economic power. It did feel  like though at least some rich Egyptians had to really stress how different they were from the poor. One of their means was to treat the poor very arrogantly. But you find this everywhere, I guess, that people tend to think of themselves as worthier than others. Unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Willenbrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Willenbrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shouldn&#039;t worry too much about 2M; I&#039;m sure you are familiar with &#039;the butler did it&#039;.

Sadly butlers are now rare, but the few remaining aren&#039;t too traumatised by the catchphrase.

I admire your ambitions, but I think you have to look at the root of the problem. It isn&#039;t rude (or even violent) employers, but the fact that many people just don&#039;t have any option better than household staff.

As prosperity and education advance, it will become too expensive to have staff, just as it has in Europe and the US, except for the really wealthy. Morocco is well on it&#039;s way to achieving this, so try not to be to hard on her.

Cracking down on child labour might not be as good an idea as it sounds. I&#039;m not advocating children working, but if the choice might be between working as an agricultural labourer at home, or helping in a relatively sophisticated and educated household, it might be as close as a child comes to an education. I know of instances where this has really paid off and given the &#039;servant&#039; a leg up into a different world.

Language is critical, for instance. If your family speak only Berber, then you might just benefit from being surrounded by people speaking Arabic, French etc (in addition to Berber; I hope the dialects survive as well). The household might have a few books, even.

I know that you are being completely politically correct; but sadly political correctness, like pure democracy, doesn&#039;t work so well here.

So, if &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; were still stuck in the Atlas, as a nineteen year old, let me ask you what you would prefer? You haven&#039;t been able to go to school, but you&#039;ve picked up the odd word of French from your brothers. Your days consist of carrying water from the spring back up an impossible slope to your house in the village, and collecting fodder for the animals. In the evening you have electricity, from a solar panel and a battery, enough to watch TV for a few hours a night. Your feet still hurt, as your broken plastic shoes are too small.

You can see your mother and elder sisters ageing prematurely from the hard labour. Your grandmother is bent nearly double, so she walks with a stick, but she still carries huge bundles of firewood back to the village day in, day out.

Your father has been asked for your hand in marriage, but the young man in question has lost several of his teeth and you aren&#039;t keen. You&#039;ve seen your mother go through the pain of childbirth and loose a child at home, with only the advice and dubious ministrations of the old women to help her.

One day a family from the town turns up. They have a car - you&#039;ve never been in a car, only the vans and trucks that use the rough pistes. You can go and live with them, half a days travel away, earn some money, in fact almost as much as your father, and send half of it home to help your siblings.

You have a room with satelite TV, hot and cold running water, a toilet that flushes, your own bed. You can buy a few clothes, a mobile telephone, buy a few presents when you visit your family...

What would &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; do?

Whilst the above story relates to one of our staff, who is your age, the same could easily be true for a fourteen year old. And how do you think these girls will feel if you successfully remove the option?

Aren&#039;t you denying them a chance to escape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shouldn&#8217;t worry too much about 2M; I&#8217;m sure you are familiar with &#8216;the butler did it&#8217;.</p>
<p>Sadly butlers are now rare, but the few remaining aren&#8217;t too traumatised by the catchphrase.</p>
<p>I admire your ambitions, but I think you have to look at the root of the problem. It isn&#8217;t rude (or even violent) employers, but the fact that many people just don&#8217;t have any option better than household staff.</p>
<p>As prosperity and education advance, it will become too expensive to have staff, just as it has in Europe and the US, except for the really wealthy. Morocco is well on it&#8217;s way to achieving this, so try not to be to hard on her.</p>
<p>Cracking down on child labour might not be as good an idea as it sounds. I&#8217;m not advocating children working, but if the choice might be between working as an agricultural labourer at home, or helping in a relatively sophisticated and educated household, it might be as close as a child comes to an education. I know of instances where this has really paid off and given the &#8216;servant&#8217; a leg up into a different world.</p>
<p>Language is critical, for instance. If your family speak only Berber, then you might just benefit from being surrounded by people speaking Arabic, French etc (in addition to Berber; I hope the dialects survive as well). The household might have a few books, even.</p>
<p>I know that you are being completely politically correct; but sadly political correctness, like pure democracy, doesn&#8217;t work so well here.</p>
<p>So, if <em>you</em> were still stuck in the Atlas, as a nineteen year old, let me ask you what you would prefer? You haven&#8217;t been able to go to school, but you&#8217;ve picked up the odd word of French from your brothers. Your days consist of carrying water from the spring back up an impossible slope to your house in the village, and collecting fodder for the animals. In the evening you have electricity, from a solar panel and a battery, enough to watch TV for a few hours a night. Your feet still hurt, as your broken plastic shoes are too small.</p>
<p>You can see your mother and elder sisters ageing prematurely from the hard labour. Your grandmother is bent nearly double, so she walks with a stick, but she still carries huge bundles of firewood back to the village day in, day out.</p>
<p>Your father has been asked for your hand in marriage, but the young man in question has lost several of his teeth and you aren&#8217;t keen. You&#8217;ve seen your mother go through the pain of childbirth and loose a child at home, with only the advice and dubious ministrations of the old women to help her.</p>
<p>One day a family from the town turns up. They have a car &#8211; you&#8217;ve never been in a car, only the vans and trucks that use the rough pistes. You can go and live with them, half a days travel away, earn some money, in fact almost as much as your father, and send half of it home to help your siblings.</p>
<p>You have a room with satelite TV, hot and cold running water, a toilet that flushes, your own bed. You can buy a few clothes, a mobile telephone, buy a few presents when you visit your family&#8230;</p>
<p>What would <em>you</em> do?</p>
<p>Whilst the above story relates to one of our staff, who is your age, the same could easily be true for a fourteen year old. And how do you think these girls will feel if you successfully remove the option?</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t you denying them a chance to escape?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,
When I get the means to do so, providing water and education for these women will be on my list of priorities. For now, my means is writing and awareness. While I have not continuously lived in the country as long as you have, I&#039;ve had Moroccan culture engrained in me during the 19 years of my life and have been able to visit Morocco with &quot;American&quot; eyes. Those maids  who did everything for me as a child who I&#039;d taken for granted back then, I now look at as unnecessary. By &quot;second class citizen&quot;, I mean it is in some Moroccans&#039; mentality that when they have a certain amount of money to their name, they abuse this power and feel like they can treat anyone &quot;below them&quot; however they want to. If it wasn&#039;t an issue, you wouldn&#039;t see stories of this being broadcasted nightly on 2M, or even a culture where the position of the &quot;maid&quot; is stigmatized on popular shows and movies, and therefore into real life as well. What we need to do, is enforce child labor laws, crack down on people who are hiring these children, and slowly evolve this position of the maid as a respectable job in which it is an OPTION of these women, and not a desperate, last resort.
Best,
Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,<br />
When I get the means to do so, providing water and education for these women will be on my list of priorities. For now, my means is writing and awareness. While I have not continuously lived in the country as long as you have, I&#8217;ve had Moroccan culture engrained in me during the 19 years of my life and have been able to visit Morocco with &#8220;American&#8221; eyes. Those maids  who did everything for me as a child who I&#8217;d taken for granted back then, I now look at as unnecessary. By &#8220;second class citizen&#8221;, I mean it is in some Moroccans&#8217; mentality that when they have a certain amount of money to their name, they abuse this power and feel like they can treat anyone &#8220;below them&#8221; however they want to. If it wasn&#8217;t an issue, you wouldn&#8217;t see stories of this being broadcasted nightly on 2M, or even a culture where the position of the &#8220;maid&#8221; is stigmatized on popular shows and movies, and therefore into real life as well. What we need to do, is enforce child labor laws, crack down on people who are hiring these children, and slowly evolve this position of the maid as a respectable job in which it is an OPTION of these women, and not a desperate, last resort.<br />
Best,<br />
Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Willenbrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Willenbrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah

I&#039;m not denying the problem existed, or that there are problems with maids or other staff here or anywhere else.

There&#039;s enough going on elsewhere in the world to effect tourism and the economy here, so, no, I&#039;m not worried about that!

I think balance is the key. All employees here have far fewer rights, often appalling health and safety, few have pensions etc. But these problems aren&#039;t exclusive to Morocco. In fact, in comparison with Morocco&#039;s neighbours on the African continent, I think the country does exceptionally well. I think you have overstated the case by inferring it is a Moroccan problem. It isn&#039;t. It&#039;s simply a problem that exists in Morocco, along with many other countries.

I&#039;m not Moroccan, but my wife is, and I&#039;ve lived here for nearly a decade - which might be more time than you spent here, for all I know. I do speak the language (both Darija and French) and I don&#039;t live in an expat bubble. In fact, deep in the middle of the medina in Fes, I think we are probably closer to the essence of Morocco than the bourgeois colony of Bouznika.

But, you mention being a second class citizen?

When I work, I sell my time to who ever is paying me. I do my best to do what I&#039;m asked to do. From time to time I have to carry bags, open doors, and do other things that you might think &#039;servile&#039;.

In truth, everyone works for someone; there&#039;s a Dylan song about it. So, just because you cook and clean and your employer shouts at you, it doesn&#039;t mean you have the right to invoke &#039;second class citizenship&#039;. You are who you are.

Incidentally, you aren&#039;t obliged to be waited on hand and foot. You can wash you own hands, you can help the staff. I do still wash the dishes.

So next time your maid offers you the kettle and bowl, take it from her and wash the hands of the other people at the table. She can get back to the kitchen, her daughter and the doubtless many other jobs she needs to do.

If you really want to help these women, providing water and education in the countryside is an excellent place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying the problem existed, or that there are problems with maids or other staff here or anywhere else.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s enough going on elsewhere in the world to effect tourism and the economy here, so, no, I&#8217;m not worried about that!</p>
<p>I think balance is the key. All employees here have far fewer rights, often appalling health and safety, few have pensions etc. But these problems aren&#8217;t exclusive to Morocco. In fact, in comparison with Morocco&#8217;s neighbours on the African continent, I think the country does exceptionally well. I think you have overstated the case by inferring it is a Moroccan problem. It isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s simply a problem that exists in Morocco, along with many other countries.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not Moroccan, but my wife is, and I&#8217;ve lived here for nearly a decade &#8211; which might be more time than you spent here, for all I know. I do speak the language (both Darija and French) and I don&#8217;t live in an expat bubble. In fact, deep in the middle of the medina in Fes, I think we are probably closer to the essence of Morocco than the bourgeois colony of Bouznika.</p>
<p>But, you mention being a second class citizen?</p>
<p>When I work, I sell my time to who ever is paying me. I do my best to do what I&#8217;m asked to do. From time to time I have to carry bags, open doors, and do other things that you might think &#8216;servile&#8217;.</p>
<p>In truth, everyone works for someone; there&#8217;s a Dylan song about it. So, just because you cook and clean and your employer shouts at you, it doesn&#8217;t mean you have the right to invoke &#8216;second class citizenship&#8217;. You are who you are.</p>
<p>Incidentally, you aren&#8217;t obliged to be waited on hand and foot. You can wash you own hands, you can help the staff. I do still wash the dishes.</p>
<p>So next time your maid offers you the kettle and bowl, take it from her and wash the hands of the other people at the table. She can get back to the kitchen, her daughter and the doubtless many other jobs she needs to do.</p>
<p>If you really want to help these women, providing water and education in the countryside is an excellent place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:
what I don&#039;t understand is the persistent denial of the situation by you as well as some Moroccans...it won&#039;t lower our tourism or any other worries you may have if we bring this issue to light. YES, it occurs in other countries. but we have to start somewhere, and being a Moroccan myself, I&#039;m going to start in my own country. the cold, hard facts are that maids are in fact, treated as second-class citizens in Morocco. you are not Moroccan, so you probably cannot fathom this...but it&#039;s the truth. I&#039;m glad you treat your maids well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:<br />
what I don&#8217;t understand is the persistent denial of the situation by you as well as some Moroccans&#8230;it won&#8217;t lower our tourism or any other worries you may have if we bring this issue to light. YES, it occurs in other countries. but we have to start somewhere, and being a Moroccan myself, I&#8217;m going to start in my own country. the cold, hard facts are that maids are in fact, treated as second-class citizens in Morocco. you are not Moroccan, so you probably cannot fathom this&#8230;but it&#8217;s the truth. I&#8217;m glad you treat your maids well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Willenbrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Willenbrock</dc:creator>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t think there is any more abuse, or any more opportunity for those in influential positions to get away with abuse, in Morocco than there is in Europe; I can&#039;t speak for the &#039;States.

Horrible things happen to people everywhere, and I don&#039;t think Morocco should be demonised, as a result of however many isolated incidents.

The Moroccan social structure, family strength, and network of support for the less fortunate is something the West could learn something from.

In Western economies, you are able to turn the other cheek, pay taxes, and expect the government to help the poor.

In Morocco, when someone asks you to help them, it&#039;s a direct request, and there isn&#039;t some expensive, inefficient and impersonal social scheme to turn to.

If helping involves welcoming a member of their family into your home to become a member of your family, I can see no wrong in it.

There are circumstances where staff are required. Somewhere above someone comments about &quot;never having felt  comfortable&#039; about having a maid. I wonder how they cope in restaurants or hotels; uncomfortable, one presumes. If you have a large house, or a big garden, or lots of children, which other parts of your life are you going to sacrifice in order to do all of this work yourself?

If those of us who can afford it pay people to clean our houses, drive our cars, and look after our children and gardens, we are giving people an opportunity to work and some wealth filters down.

Isn&#039;t it mean to refuse to do this, and just sit on the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t think there is any more abuse, or any more opportunity for those in influential positions to get away with abuse, in Morocco than there is in Europe; I can&#8217;t speak for the &#8216;States.</p>
<p>Horrible things happen to people everywhere, and I don&#8217;t think Morocco should be demonised, as a result of however many isolated incidents.</p>
<p>The Moroccan social structure, family strength, and network of support for the less fortunate is something the West could learn something from.</p>
<p>In Western economies, you are able to turn the other cheek, pay taxes, and expect the government to help the poor.</p>
<p>In Morocco, when someone asks you to help them, it&#8217;s a direct request, and there isn&#8217;t some expensive, inefficient and impersonal social scheme to turn to.</p>
<p>If helping involves welcoming a member of their family into your home to become a member of your family, I can see no wrong in it.</p>
<p>There are circumstances where staff are required. Somewhere above someone comments about &#8220;never having felt  comfortable&#8217; about having a maid. I wonder how they cope in restaurants or hotels; uncomfortable, one presumes. If you have a large house, or a big garden, or lots of children, which other parts of your life are you going to sacrifice in order to do all of this work yourself?</p>
<p>If those of us who can afford it pay people to clean our houses, drive our cars, and look after our children and gardens, we are giving people an opportunity to work and some wealth filters down.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it mean to refuse to do this, and just sit on the money?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Moroccan-American but have been to Morocco enough times (and lived there for my first years of life) to know what goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Moroccan-American but have been to Morocco enough times (and lived there for my first years of life) to know what goes on.</p>
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