Comments on: Why Would Anyone Deny The Holocaust? http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: hadar http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24102 hadar Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:34:45 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24102 Sami: I find what you have been saying very interesting; everything about how the "zionists [are] blinded by their coherent theology" and how 'they wont see [anything] other than occupying the whole of the “promised land”' seems to me an extremely overly exaggerated as well as a generalizing statement. When one looks at history and at the sorts of things the Palestinian and Israeli leaders have said/done/attempted to do, you tend to notice how the Israeli leaders <strong>have</strong> tried to negotiate the sharing of land and ensure the freedom of the Palestinian citizens. However, the situation is more complicated than all of this. When the Israelis let down some of their protection/guard around the Palestinian areas such as the West Bank and the Gaza strip, it was met by violence towards the Israeli citizens from within those areas. They fired rockets into <em>civilian populated areas</em>. Do you know where the rockets were shot from? Places like schools, hospitals, etc. The Israelis didn't know this. They were trying to protect the land that their fathers had spent their lives through much hard work reviving, for before the "crazy zionists" came, even before WWII, the land of Palestine was dried up, neglected, desert/swamp. When the Jews came and worked and built <em>kibbutzim</em> to revive the land, the Palestinians didn't mind. The issue was not an issue until Israel tried to get organized as a Jewish state. Even after that, though the Israelis <strong>DID</strong> want peace! They <em>asked</em> for negotiations with the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab countries. But it is just so difficult when the citizens of those countries want one thing, and their leaders, who often time are corrupt, want something different; want gain not peace. Now I'm not saying that you're wrong in that what is happening to the Palestinian citizens is not fair, because its not. But you can't blame everything thats wrong on the "crazy zionists." While thats the easiest, it simply is not correct, and its more complicated than that. I'm asking you to inform yourself, at least through someone/something that doesn't necessarily agree with everything you've been taught your entire life. No one can be fully right, and no one can be fully wrong. The best that you can do would be to try and <em>understand</em> the logical and emotional justifications of the "other side." But since we all want peace, aren't we really all on the same side? Or do we all want peace? Please try not to just poke holes in what I said. I'd like to make intelligent conversation. If you feel I got a fact wrong, keep in mind that you and I know what we know from very different authorities. Peace, Hadar Sami: I find what you have been saying very interesting; everything about how the “zionists [are] blinded by their coherent theology” and how ‘they wont see [anything] other than occupying the whole of the “promised land”’ seems to me an extremely overly exaggerated as well as a generalizing statement. When one looks at history and at the sorts of things the Palestinian and Israeli leaders have said/done/attempted to do, you tend to notice how the Israeli leaders have tried to negotiate the sharing of land and ensure the freedom of the Palestinian citizens. However, the situation is more complicated than all of this. When the Israelis let down some of their protection/guard around the Palestinian areas such as the West Bank and the Gaza strip, it was met by violence towards the Israeli citizens from within those areas. They fired rockets into civilian populated areas. Do you know where the rockets were shot from? Places like schools, hospitals, etc. The Israelis didn’t know this. They were trying to protect the land that their fathers had spent their lives through much hard work reviving, for before the “crazy zionists” came, even before WWII, the land of Palestine was dried up, neglected, desert/swamp. When the Jews came and worked and built kibbutzim to revive the land, the Palestinians didn’t mind. The issue was not an issue until Israel tried to get organized as a Jewish state. Even after that, though the Israelis DID want peace! They asked for negotiations with the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab countries. But it is just so difficult when the citizens of those countries want one thing, and their leaders, who often time are corrupt, want something different; want gain not peace. Now I’m not saying that you’re wrong in that what is happening to the Palestinian citizens is not fair, because its not. But you can’t blame everything thats wrong on the “crazy zionists.” While thats the easiest, it simply is not correct, and its more complicated than that. I’m asking you to inform yourself, at least through someone/something that doesn’t necessarily agree with everything you’ve been taught your entire life. No one can be fully right, and no one can be fully wrong. The best that you can do would be to try and understand the logical and emotional justifications of the “other side.” But since we all want peace, aren’t we really all on the same side? Or do we all want peace? Please try not to just poke holes in what I said. I’d like to make intelligent conversation. If you feel I got a fact wrong, keep in mind that you and I know what we know from very different authorities.

Peace,
Hadar

]]> By: Moe http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24101 Moe Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:00:20 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24101 I suggest we read the world book almanac 1939,40,41,42,43,44,45 which the years when Nazism ruled Germany and parts of Europe. Reading the above mentioned book, for the above mentioned years, the number of Jews did not shrink. On contrary it increased. I suggest we read the world book almanac 1939,40,41,42,43,44,45 which the years when Nazism ruled Germany and parts of Europe.
Reading the above mentioned book, for the above mentioned years, the number of Jews did not shrink. On contrary it increased.

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]]> By: Sami, the beduin. http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24098 Sami, the beduin. Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:19:25 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24098 Good Nissim... hope you enjoyed your trip,... I have never been outside Palestine nor would prefer to leave my homeland. Sometimes Western tourists come to show us their pity but still the situation is deteriorating with every passing year... and I personally have been facing occupation since I was born, not helplessly but doing my best to get free... Hope? Yes, I do have hope but not "great expectations" at the horizon !!! Good Nissim… hope you enjoyed your trip,… I have never been outside Palestine nor would prefer to leave my homeland.

Sometimes Western tourists come to show us their pity but still the situation is deteriorating with every passing year… and I personally have been facing occupation since I was born, not helplessly but doing my best to get free…

Hope? Yes, I do have hope but not “great expectations” at the horizon !!!

]]> By: Nissim Dahan http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24097 Nissim Dahan Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:27:07 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24097 Sami, for the past two weeks, my wife and I have been touring your part of the world. And yes, extremism is extremism wherever it is to be found. However, having seen what I have seen, and having talked with the people of the region, I see great hope for peace, which I will discuss with you when we get back home, in about one week. Maybe instead of just talking, we will both figure out a way to make something happen along these lines. Stranger things have happened. Sami, for the past two weeks, my wife and I have been touring your part of the world. And yes, extremism is extremism wherever it is to be found. However, having seen what I have seen, and having talked with the people of the region, I see great hope for peace, which I will discuss with you when we get back home, in about one week. Maybe instead of just talking, we will both figure out a way to make something happen along these lines. Stranger things have happened.

]]> By: Sami, the bedouin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24096 Sami, the bedouin Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:57:46 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24096 Great what you say Nissim, <blockquote>False belief is at the heart of what is wrong in this world. It may give us some small measure of comfort to trumpet our false beliefs loudly to the world, but it gets us nowhere fast on the path to peace.</blockquote> does this apply tp the zionists who are blinded by their coherent theology and refusing all the calls beggong them for peace? For me they font see other than occupying the whole of the "promised land" !!! Sami Great what you say Nissim,

False belief is at the heart of what is wrong in this world. It may give us some small measure of comfort to trumpet our false beliefs loudly to the world, but it gets us nowhere fast on the path to peace.

does this apply tp the zionists who are blinded by their coherent theology and refusing all the calls beggong them for peace? For me they font see other than occupying the whole of the “promised land” !!!

Sami

]]> By: Nissim Dahan http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24095 Nissim Dahan Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:10:50 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24095 Some satisfy themselves with conspiracy theories, and others search for the truth. You can take any isolated piece of evidence, or even invent your own bits and pieces of evidence, and weave them together into some sort of theory which confirms what you already believed in, in the first place. Or you can consider your mind a clean slate, and use you sense of logic, and comon sense, to arrive at what is worth believing in. If you ask me, God speaks to us in common sense notions. Instead of believing what we want to believe, why not start believing in what makes sense?Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we're right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive at what is worth believing in? False belief is at the heart of what is wrong in this world. It may give us some small measure of comfort to trumpet our false beliefs loudly to the world, but it gets us nowhere fast on the path to peace. There is an opportunity, even as we speak, to further the cause of peace. But we will have to seize that opportunity, and that will mean letting go of some of our beliefs, in favor of something we can believe in even more, like peace. We have no choice but to think clearly, and to let go of some of our favorite conspiracy theories, in favor of ideas which make more sense and which move us in the direction of getting along, working together, making this world more sustainabile, and pointing to the possibility of peace. Do we dare to step out of who we are, to become something even more? Some satisfy themselves with conspiracy theories, and others search for the truth. You can take any isolated piece of evidence, or even invent your own bits and pieces of evidence, and weave them together into some sort of theory which confirms what you already believed in, in the first place. Or you can consider your mind a clean slate, and use you sense of logic, and comon sense, to arrive at what is worth believing in. If you ask me, God speaks to us in common sense notions.

Instead of believing what we want to believe, why not start believing in what makes sense?Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we’re right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive at what is worth believing in?

False belief is at the heart of what is wrong in this world. It may give us some small measure of comfort to trumpet our false beliefs loudly to the world, but it gets us nowhere fast on the path to peace.

There is an opportunity, even as we speak, to further the cause of peace. But we will have to seize that opportunity, and that will mean letting go of some of our beliefs, in favor of something we can believe in even more, like peace. We have no choice but to think clearly, and to let go of some of our favorite conspiracy theories, in favor of ideas which make more sense and which move us in the direction of getting along, working together, making this world more sustainabile, and pointing to the possibility of peace. Do we dare to step out of who we are, to become something even more?

]]> By: limpia http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24094 limpia Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:48:39 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24094 i read the haaretz article and see no mention of who informed the two employees. Who knows who, called or why? Furthermore, i read that the emails or ims were immediately reported to supervisors, then to israeli security and american. Tremendous jealousy toward israel obvious on this site,as their should be. But , u should work with israel.There are elements there to be worked with. i read the haaretz article and see no mention of who informed the two employees. Who knows who, called or why? Furthermore, i read that the emails or ims were immediately reported to supervisors, then to israeli security and american.
Tremendous jealousy toward israel obvious on this site,as their should be. But , u should work with israel.There are elements there to be worked with.

]]> By: el-shinqiti http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24093 el-shinqiti Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:39:45 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/21/why-would-anyone-deny-the-holocaust/#comment-24093 How many readers are aware that the Zionist newspaper "Haaretz" brazenly published an article that an Israeli worker had received an e-mail the morning of the 9-11 attacks, warning that it was coming? read it here. And ask yourselF: how did they know in advance?? http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C# Then listen to those rambling about the Protocols being all lies and nazi propaganda. The Zionists were tracking the al-Qa'ida terrorists in the US, they knew what they were up to, and they LET THEM DO IT! Why? Because they knew the Bush fascists wanted an excuse to attack Iraq for the Zionists, and knowing that Saddam Hussain was their biggest enemy, they sacrificed thousands of Americans to achieve their goal! How many readers are aware that the Zionist newspaper “Haaretz” brazenly published an article that an Israeli worker had received an e-mail the morning of the 9-11 attacks, warning that it was coming? read it here. And ask yourselF: how did they know in advance??
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C#

Then listen to those rambling about the Protocols being all lies and nazi propaganda. The Zionists were tracking the al-Qa’ida terrorists in the US, they knew what they were up to, and they LET THEM DO IT! Why? Because they knew the Bush fascists wanted an excuse to attack Iraq for the Zionists, and knowing that Saddam Hussain was their biggest enemy, they sacrificed thousands of Americans to achieve their goal!

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