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> <channel><title>Comments on: Chickens, Goats and the Taliban</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/</link> <description>Promoting a fierce but respectful dialogue among the highly diverse youth of the Middle East</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:01:27 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285666</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285666</guid> <description>Sami, the occupation is ugly, but so is a surprise attack on Yom Kippur, or a bus bombing, or 8500 rockets fired on civilians. It&#039;s all ugly. And that&#039;s why we have to sit back, start thinking straight, and come up with, and implement, a plan that works to bring justice to all concerned.I talk about common sense because that&#039;s what we were given, since the beginning of our stay on this good earth, to bring a semblance of order into our lives. Here is an example.&lt;strong&gt;The Golden Rule&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;Treat one another as you want to be treated,&quot; would have us treat one another well by &lt;strong&gt;Investing&lt;/strong&gt; in one another.&lt;strong&gt;The Golden Mean&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;The truth is usually found somewhere between two extremes,&quot; would have us think straight by using common sense as our &lt;strong&gt;Ideology&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;strong&gt;The Greatest Good&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;Do what brings the greatest happiness to the greatest number,&quot; would have us maximize justice by organizing ourselves around a vision of &lt;strong&gt;Hope.&lt;/strong&gt;Putting it all together, the formula for world peace is not all that complicated. As Thomas Jefferson might have put it, &quot;We find this truth to be self-evident: &lt;strong&gt;Ideology&lt;/strong&gt; plus &lt;strong&gt;Investment&lt;/strong&gt; equals &lt;strong&gt;Hope&lt;/strong&gt;, and with hope all things are possible, even the impossible dream of peace.There is a chance now, Sami, to cut a peace deal. The deal will be cut because Fattah is a lot more worried about Hamas than about Israel. But doing that will require all of us to step back from some of what we believe, in favor of something we can believe in even more like peace.I agree with Dusan that false belief is at the heart of what is wrong in this world. People believe certain things, and their beliefs can be manipulated by some devious fellows to bring about actions which are very contrary to what makes sense, and to the main principles on which the religion or ideology was founded.We have to find the courage to step back from some of what we happen to believe in, if what we believe in doesn&#039;t make sense. Instead of believing what we want to believe, why not believe in what makes sense? Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we&#039;re right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive to what is worth believing in?In a more perfect world, common sense, the collective wisdom born of shared experience, will inspire our thinking, and inform our speech. In our fractured world, common sense is the common denominator.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sami, the occupation is ugly, but so is a surprise attack on Yom Kippur, or a bus bombing, or 8500 rockets fired on civilians. It&#8217;s all ugly. And that&#8217;s why we have to sit back, start thinking straight, and come up with, and implement, a plan that works to bring justice to all concerned.</p><p>I talk about common sense because that&#8217;s what we were given, since the beginning of our stay on this good earth, to bring a semblance of order into our lives. Here is an example.</p><p><strong>The Golden Rule</strong>: &#8220;Treat one another as you want to be treated,&#8221; would have us treat one another well by <strong>Investing</strong> in one another.</p><p><strong>The Golden Mean</strong>: &#8220;The truth is usually found somewhere between two extremes,&#8221; would have us think straight by using common sense as our <strong>Ideology</strong>.</p><p><strong>The Greatest Good</strong>: &#8220;Do what brings the greatest happiness to the greatest number,&#8221; would have us maximize justice by organizing ourselves around a vision of <strong>Hope.</strong></p><p>Putting it all together, the formula for world peace is not all that complicated. As Thomas Jefferson might have put it, &#8220;We find this truth to be self-evident: <strong>Ideology</strong> plus <strong>Investment</strong> equals <strong>Hope</strong>, and with hope all things are possible, even the impossible dream of peace.</p><p>There is a chance now, Sami, to cut a peace deal. The deal will be cut because Fattah is a lot more worried about Hamas than about Israel. But doing that will require all of us to step back from some of what we believe, in favor of something we can believe in even more like peace.</p><p>I agree with Dusan that false belief is at the heart of what is wrong in this world. People believe certain things, and their beliefs can be manipulated by some devious fellows to bring about actions which are very contrary to what makes sense, and to the main principles on which the religion or ideology was founded.</p><p>We have to find the courage to step back from some of what we happen to believe in, if what we believe in doesn&#8217;t make sense. Instead of believing what we want to believe, why not believe in what makes sense? Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we&#8217;re right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive to what is worth believing in?</p><p>In a more perfect world, common sense, the collective wisdom born of shared experience, will inspire our thinking, and inform our speech. In our fractured world, common sense is the common denominator.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dusan</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285633</link> <dc:creator>Dusan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:20:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285633</guid> <description>Very nice thinking Omid and Nissim. The problem is that even in best developed countries and with people that have all they need (and much more), the worst part of human instincts comes alive. So this is something we cannot delete forever. There will always be people that will lead others to death with religious or whatever other intention. But I fully agree with Nissim. The only way to &quot;fight&quot; them is to communicate better to people.@Omid: Terrorism is a modern word to make people scared and describe something we don&#039;t like. Other words to make excuse to &quot;kill the others&quot; are globalisation, capitalism, fundamentalism,... All words are used with the same purpose - to make people hate the others that belong &quot;to that group&quot;. It is all about making &quot;your people&quot; belive that &quot;other people&quot; are bad.So terrorism or any other violent act against innocent people came with any religion and belive. Pick any time in history and place and ask people if someone said that someone else should die because they didn&#039;t follow &quot;the rules of god&quot;. So if you ask me, the chicken called religion (whichever) came first. And only some very bad people in those religions made very bad things.Others are blogging and communicating around. :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice thinking Omid and Nissim. The problem is that even in best developed countries and with people that have all they need (and much more), the worst part of human instincts comes alive. So this is something we cannot delete forever. There will always be people that will lead others to death with religious or whatever other intention. But I fully agree with Nissim. The only way to &#8220;fight&#8221; them is to communicate better to people.</p><p>@Omid: Terrorism is a modern word to make people scared and describe something we don&#8217;t like. Other words to make excuse to &#8220;kill the others&#8221; are globalisation, capitalism, fundamentalism,&#8230; All words are used with the same purpose &#8211; to make people hate the others that belong &#8220;to that group&#8221;. It is all about making &#8220;your people&#8221; belive that &#8220;other people&#8221; are bad.</p><p>So terrorism or any other violent act against innocent people came with any religion and belive. Pick any time in history and place and ask people if someone said that someone else should die because they didn&#8217;t follow &#8220;the rules of god&#8221;. So if you ask me, the chicken called religion (whichever) came first. And only some very bad people in those religions made very bad things.</p><p>Others are blogging and communicating around. <img
src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Omid</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285625</link> <dc:creator>Omid</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:53:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285625</guid> <description>Terrorism: The nasty bi-product of globalization...Which came first the chicken or the egg?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrorism: The nasty bi-product of globalization&#8230;Which came first the chicken or the egg?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sami, the beduin.</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285622</link> <dc:creator>Sami, the beduin.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:24:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285622</guid> <description>How about the &quot;Golden Occupation&quot;, the &quot;Golden Shelling&quot;, the &quot;Golden Killing&quot; Nissim?Occupation is ugly and no cosmetics can beautify it... fullstop.Sami, the bedouin.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the &#8220;Golden Occupation&#8221;, the &#8220;Golden Shelling&#8221;, the &#8220;Golden Killing&#8221; Nissim?</p><p>Occupation is ugly and no cosmetics can beautify it&#8230; fullstop.</p><p>Sami, the bedouin.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285605</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285605</guid> <description>...we have to appeal to a common humanity.That&#039;s exactly right. We can do that with good paying jobs, which is something that almost everyone on earth can relate to. And also, with an ideology which makes more sense, an ideology which is rooted in some very basic common sense notions, such as: The Golden Rule, The Golden Mean, and The Greatest Good.If the world is already coming together economically and technologically, and if the problems we face are becoming global in nature, then we owe it to ourselves to come together ideologically as well, at least to the extent necessary to begin solving some of the intractabl problems which threaten us all, such as: How to grow our economies? How to protect the environment? And how to neutralize the hold of extremist thinking?Let&#039;s face it, a lot of what we believe is nonsense. I don&#039;t really know how we got ourselves stuck in such a situation. But by hook or by crook we better find a way to work ourselves out of this mess, before things get out of hand, and solutionss become a moot point.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;we have to appeal to a common humanity.</p><p>That&#8217;s exactly right. We can do that with good paying jobs, which is something that almost everyone on earth can relate to. And also, with an ideology which makes more sense, an ideology which is rooted in some very basic common sense notions, such as: The Golden Rule, The Golden Mean, and The Greatest Good.</p><p>If the world is already coming together economically and technologically, and if the problems we face are becoming global in nature, then we owe it to ourselves to come together ideologically as well, at least to the extent necessary to begin solving some of the intractabl problems which threaten us all, such as: How to grow our economies? How to protect the environment? And how to neutralize the hold of extremist thinking?</p><p>Let&#8217;s face it, a lot of what we believe is nonsense. I don&#8217;t really know how we got ourselves stuck in such a situation. But by hook or by crook we better find a way to work ourselves out of this mess, before things get out of hand, and solutionss become a moot point.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Omid</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285597</link> <dc:creator>Omid</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285597</guid> <description>Interesting Nissim. Military practioners would call this psychological operations. Potatoe, potato, right? In all honestly though, you are right and whatever the method may be, we have to appeal to a common humanity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Nissim. Military practioners would call this psychological operations. Potatoe, potato, right? In all honestly though, you are right and whatever the method may be, we have to appeal to a common humanity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285572</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:37:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5747#comment-285572</guid> <description>Omid,  I agree with you wholeheartedly that much of the problem is economic. If you empower people economically, they are much less likely to jump onto the bandwagon of martyrdom.However, economics, as important as it is, does not address the issue that there are those few among us who are hell bent on acquiring and consolidating political power by exploiting the needs of the poor, and who will use any means at their disposal, including perverting their religion, to enhance their extremist agendas.Therefore, even if you could bring a measure of prosperity to most of the people, that would not necessarily diffuse the ambitions of these ideological extremists. A more comprehensive approach is called for by which we are able to beat the extremists at their own game, by doing what they do only better, by co-opting their strategies, and by marginalizing them in the eyes of their own people. In short, since you can&#039;t kill all the extremists, you may want to try killing them in the imagination of their own people.If the extremists are ideological about violent Jihad, we should be ideological about common sense. If the extremists invest peanuts in charitable handouts, we should invest some serious dollars in jobs; jobs which grow our economies, jobs which protect the environment, and jobs which help neutralize the hold of extremist thinking. If the extremists sell a vision of hope for martyrdom, or paradise, or virgins, or what have you, we should sell a vision of hope for peace, prosperity, and freedom. At every turn we should cut them off at the pass and beat them at their own game.In the final analysis, the ideological extremists will not be able to capture the public&#039;s imagination, once people begin to imagine a better life for themselves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omid,  I agree with you wholeheartedly that much of the problem is economic. If you empower people economically, they are much less likely to jump onto the bandwagon of martyrdom.</p><p>However, economics, as important as it is, does not address the issue that there are those few among us who are hell bent on acquiring and consolidating political power by exploiting the needs of the poor, and who will use any means at their disposal, including perverting their religion, to enhance their extremist agendas.</p><p>Therefore, even if you could bring a measure of prosperity to most of the people, that would not necessarily diffuse the ambitions of these ideological extremists. A more comprehensive approach is called for by which we are able to beat the extremists at their own game, by doing what they do only better, by co-opting their strategies, and by marginalizing them in the eyes of their own people. In short, since you can&#8217;t kill all the extremists, you may want to try killing them in the imagination of their own people.</p><p>If the extremists are ideological about violent Jihad, we should be ideological about common sense. If the extremists invest peanuts in charitable handouts, we should invest some serious dollars in jobs; jobs which grow our economies, jobs which protect the environment, and jobs which help neutralize the hold of extremist thinking. If the extremists sell a vision of hope for martyrdom, or paradise, or virgins, or what have you, we should sell a vision of hope for peace, prosperity, and freedom. At every turn we should cut them off at the pass and beat them at their own game.</p><p>In the final analysis, the ideological extremists will not be able to capture the public&#8217;s imagination, once people begin to imagine a better life for themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tweets that mention Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead » Chickens, Goats and the Taliban -- Topsy.com</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/06/chickens-goats-and-the-taliban/#comment-285478</link> <dc:creator>Tweets that mention Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead » Chickens, Goats and the Taliban -- Topsy.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:47:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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