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> <channel><title>Comments on: Are there any red lines in social media?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/</link> <description>Promoting a fierce but respectful dialogue among the highly diverse youth of the Middle East</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:46:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Manuel Oliver</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-286659</link> <dc:creator>Manuel Oliver</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:39:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-286659</guid> <description>You made some good points there. I think most people will agree</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made some good points there. I think most people will agree</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-286346</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:27:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-286346</guid> <description>If you&#039;re in the crowd, watching this honor killing, you would realize that the passions and of the crowd have been awakened, and you would be taking your life in your hands if you were to interfere. Fear sets in, and we will most often protect ourselves instead of helping others. We are a selfish creature. There are few heroes among us.As for the video taker, if we give him or her the benefit of the doubt, we would say that there is some value in allowing the world to see what is going on. Perhaps people somewhere will wake up and work to put an end to this brutal form of punishment. So I wouldn&#039;t necessarily blame the video takers, even though, truth be told, many of them shot the scene for some perverse sense of satisfaction along the lines of, &quot;Better her than me.&quot;There is much evil in the world, perhaps more so than good. We have convinced ourselves of things which make no sense. We believe wholeheartedly in the nonsensical, and if we continue in our ways, we are all doomed to pay a heavy price, a price that will be exacted on a massive scale.We owe it to ourselves to step out of who we happen to be, and to let go of some of what we believe, in favor of what makes sense. Instead of jumping to false belief and rationalizing why we&#039;re right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive at what is worth believing in?There is no honor in honor killing. Instead of assuming the role of dumb-ass spectators, why don&#039;t we do something about it, and teach our kids the stupidity of killing our own? Yes, the world has to be made aware, but to what end? Make them aware, and then make the case for us to change our ways.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re in the crowd, watching this honor killing, you would realize that the passions and of the crowd have been awakened, and you would be taking your life in your hands if you were to interfere. Fear sets in, and we will most often protect ourselves instead of helping others. We are a selfish creature. There are few heroes among us.</p><p>As for the video taker, if we give him or her the benefit of the doubt, we would say that there is some value in allowing the world to see what is going on. Perhaps people somewhere will wake up and work to put an end to this brutal form of punishment. So I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily blame the video takers, even though, truth be told, many of them shot the scene for some perverse sense of satisfaction along the lines of, &#8220;Better her than me.&#8221;</p><p>There is much evil in the world, perhaps more so than good. We have convinced ourselves of things which make no sense. We believe wholeheartedly in the nonsensical, and if we continue in our ways, we are all doomed to pay a heavy price, a price that will be exacted on a massive scale.</p><p>We owe it to ourselves to step out of who we happen to be, and to let go of some of what we believe, in favor of what makes sense. Instead of jumping to false belief and rationalizing why we&#8217;re right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive at what is worth believing in?</p><p>There is no honor in honor killing. Instead of assuming the role of dumb-ass spectators, why don&#8217;t we do something about it, and teach our kids the stupidity of killing our own? Yes, the world has to be made aware, but to what end? Make them aware, and then make the case for us to change our ways.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Reem Shawkat (Sudan)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-286102</link> <dc:creator>Reem Shawkat (Sudan)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:07:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-286102</guid> <description>This reminds me of this popular image of a child in a war-torn Sudanese village, the picture was taken by a South African photographer, who did win an award for the picture. He killed himself shortly after this incident out of guilt. People kept taunting him (you could have saved her, you could have saved her).
As an aspiring journalist, I find this questions puzzling. I think being the person I am , I would go ahead and save the child or person. Not all journalists are going to do so, because this picture could save so many other children. It&#039;s such a difficult question and the answer to it is always personal.I think the men looking at the girl getting stoned didn&#039;t want to help her, but by filming it, they did raise awareness about honor killings. Let&#039;s not give them any credit though!Puzzling topic Esra&#039;a!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of this popular image of a child in a war-torn Sudanese village, the picture was taken by a South African photographer, who did win an award for the picture. He killed himself shortly after this incident out of guilt. People kept taunting him (you could have saved her, you could have saved her).<br
/> As an aspiring journalist, I find this questions puzzling. I think being the person I am , I would go ahead and save the child or person. Not all journalists are going to do so, because this picture could save so many other children. It&#8217;s such a difficult question and the answer to it is always personal.</p><p>I think the men looking at the girl getting stoned didn&#8217;t want to help her, but by filming it, they did raise awareness about honor killings. Let&#8217;s not give them any credit though!</p><p>Puzzling topic Esra&#8217;a!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ø¬ÙˆØ§Ù†Ø§Ù† Ø®Ø§ÙˆØ±Ù…ÛŒØ§Ù†Ù‡ &#187; Ø¨Ø§ÛŒÚ¯Ø§Ù†ÛŒ ÙˆØ¨Ù„Ø§Ú¯ &#187; Ø¢ÛŒØ§ Ø®Ø· Ù‚Ø±Ù…Ø²ÛŒ Ø¯Ø± Ø±Ø³Ø§Ù†Ù‡â€ŒÙ‡Ø§ÛŒ Ø§Ø¬ØªÙ…Ø§Ø</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-285814</link> <dc:creator>Ø¬ÙˆØ§Ù†Ø§Ù† Ø®Ø§ÙˆØ±Ù…ÛŒØ§Ù†Ù‡ &#187; Ø¨Ø§ÛŒÚ¯Ø§Ù†ÛŒ ÙˆØ¨Ù„Ø§Ú¯ &#187; Ø¢ÛŒØ§ Ø®Ø· Ù‚Ø±Ù…Ø²ÛŒ Ø¯Ø± Ø±Ø³Ø§Ù†Ù‡â€ŒÙ‡Ø§ÛŒ Ø§Ø¬ØªÙ…Ø§Ø</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:17:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-285814</guid> <description>[...] Ø§Ø³Ø±Ø§Ø¡ Ù…Ø·Ù„Ø¨ Ø±Ø§ Ø¨Ù‡ Ø¨Ø§Ù„Ø§ØªØ±ÛŒÙ† [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ø§Ø³Ø±Ø§Ø¡ Ù…Ø·Ù„Ø¨ Ø±Ø§ Ø¨Ù‡ Ø¨Ø§Ù„Ø§ØªØ±ÛŒÙ† [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mohammad Memarian</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-285757</link> <dc:creator>Mohammad Memarian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:05:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-285757</guid> <description>this discussion remebers me of France24 interviewing a palestinian journalist who used to provide videos, photos and information during Israeli invasion of Gaza. He said the most disturbing moment of his life was when a palestinian civilian got shot. He had just 2 options: try to help him, or document the moment. He said that &#039;with eyes full of tear, i decided to record the event.&#039;There are lots of examples in the field of social media, bouncing around the boundry between ethical and non-ethical choice. Sometimes we should be practical. Sometimes judging the whole thing from a merely practical point makes us feel guilty.a rather difficult question you made.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this discussion remebers me of France24 interviewing a palestinian journalist who used to provide videos, photos and information during Israeli invasion of Gaza. He said the most disturbing moment of his life was when a palestinian civilian got shot. He had just 2 options: try to help him, or document the moment. He said that &#8216;with eyes full of tear, i decided to record the event.&#8217;</p><p>There are lots of examples in the field of social media, bouncing around the boundry between ethical and non-ethical choice. Sometimes we should be practical. Sometimes judging the whole thing from a merely practical point makes us feel guilty.</p><p>a rather difficult question you made.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sami, the beduin.</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-285665</link> <dc:creator>Sami, the beduin.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:50:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-285665</guid> <description>It&#039;s a big and frustrating question you are Asking Esra&#039;a!!First I have to assert that both acts are equally brutal...stoning and using the stoning !!!What is so called &quot;honor killing&quot; is not more that a sadistic crime against the victim while the real criminal is us, all of us !!! I just wonder how can a man, any man, not do, but also boast of having sex with women and the very next day slaughters his sister or daughter for &quot;loosing her virginity&quot;!! What a sadistic mentality! the hell with this mentality that puts the honor between the legs and legitimizes killing the victim twice!! When are we going to wake up and see how hypocritic and sadistic we, men, are!!! Who kills for honor is not a man but a blind beast and honorless... its a pagan habit that only paganists still believe in!!! Why we are so sadistic????However this story reminds me of a Jerusalemite friend, a journalist, who couldnt stand Israeli soldiers battering a Palestinian girl in the second Intifada, and instead of wasting time capturing the scene, he rushed to help the girl.... but he too was battered, his camera was smashed and imprisoned for 8 months for deterring the IOF soldiers .... and as a beginner journalist, he lost his job too after spending his time in jail !!!The journalist, any journalist, is a human in the first place....  but still who is taking shots for fun, or to capture the moment of the human suffering has no heart to know what the human suffering is.... and there are plenty of such beasts !!!Sami, the bedouin.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a big and frustrating question you are Asking Esra&#8217;a!!</p><p>First I have to assert that both acts are equally brutal&#8230;stoning and using the stoning !!!</p><p>What is so called &#8220;honor killing&#8221; is not more that a sadistic crime against the victim while the real criminal is us, all of us !!! I just wonder how can a man, any man, not do, but also boast of having sex with women and the very next day slaughters his sister or daughter for &#8220;loosing her virginity&#8221;!! What a sadistic mentality! the hell with this mentality that puts the honor between the legs and legitimizes killing the victim twice!! When are we going to wake up and see how hypocritic and sadistic we, men, are!!! Who kills for honor is not a man but a blind beast and honorless&#8230; its a pagan habit that only paganists still believe in!!! Why we are so sadistic????</p><p>However this story reminds me of a Jerusalemite friend, a journalist, who couldnt stand Israeli soldiers battering a Palestinian girl in the second Intifada, and instead of wasting time capturing the scene, he rushed to help the girl&#8230;. but he too was battered, his camera was smashed and imprisoned for 8 months for deterring the IOF soldiers &#8230;. and as a beginner journalist, he lost his job too after spending his time in jail !!!</p><p>The journalist, any journalist, is a human in the first place&#8230;.  but still who is taking shots for fun, or to capture the moment of the human suffering has no heart to know what the human suffering is&#8230;. and there are plenty of such beasts !!!</p><p>Sami, the bedouin.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: links for 2009-11-09 &#124; Glorified Monkey</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-285659</link> <dc:creator>links for 2009-11-09 &#124; Glorified Monkey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5764#comment-285656</guid> <description>Thanks for the good article. Paul has driven an important point, and you pulled a perfect dimension.I want to stop and clarify something, from my POV;It&#039;s one of 3;1 - The person who was filming that was actually proud of what was happening for the Glory of Islam over the infidels, like Du&#039;a. (Black Comedy totally welcome.)2 - The person who was filming that was feeling as horrible as s/he can feel, even more than us, the spectators because simply they were in action, they wanted to help indeed, maybe they cried?! Maybe they suffer from a psychological disturbance until this very day which I&#039;m making my comment in. Maybe?! But the fact, the obvious fact, that they were too scared to help her, because the outcome would be stoning of 2 victims, not 1.3 - They were neither 1, nor 2, and they were nosing around for Channel&#039;s subscribers, like you&#039;ve mentioned, or maybe for money from this short movie sales to private news agencies, and websites.Enough said</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good article. Paul has driven an important point, and you pulled a perfect dimension.</p><p>I want to stop and clarify something, from my POV;</p><p>It&#8217;s one of 3;</p><p>1 &#8211; The person who was filming that was actually proud of what was happening for the Glory of Islam over the infidels, like Du&#8217;a. (Black Comedy totally welcome.)</p><p>2 &#8211; The person who was filming that was feeling as horrible as s/he can feel, even more than us, the spectators because simply they were in action, they wanted to help indeed, maybe they cried?! Maybe they suffer from a psychological disturbance until this very day which I&#8217;m making my comment in. Maybe?! But the fact, the obvious fact, that they were too scared to help her, because the outcome would be stoning of 2 victims, not 1.</p><p>3 &#8211; They were neither 1, nor 2, and they were nosing around for Channel&#8217;s subscribers, like you&#8217;ve mentioned, or maybe for money from this short movie sales to private news agencies, and websites.</p><p>Enough said</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tweets that mention Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead Â» Are there any red lines in social media? -- Topsy.com</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/11/08/are-there-any-red-lines-in-social-media/#comment-285615</link> <dc:creator>Tweets that mention Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead Â» Are there any red lines in social media? -- Topsy.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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